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Poster: jeno61 Date: Dec 28, 2012 5:37pm
Forum: texts Subject: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

Considering the amount of spam this site is getting; Perhaps a CAPTCHA is required for ALL posts. Also perhaps new users (less than one month)could be limited to two posts every ten minutes?

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Dec 28, 2012 8:55pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

Here here! Spammers have shut this place down.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgarthus1 Date: Dec 30, 2012 10:00pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

The Archive should publish the urls of the spammers; I am sure the problem will be cleaned up fast.

Gerry

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Poster: aibek Date: Dec 31, 2012 8:32am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

The spacing between the spam posts (of the current spammers) suggests that the posts are by humans. As such, Captcha would not help much -- it would mean a waste of just a few seconds more for every post by the spammer(s). The spammer would hardly mind it as he/she is zombified enough to continue doing this work whole day long.

Rate limiting would probably work. Another thing which would work would be blocking forum posts based on IP addresses. One can always take care of the rare misapplications by saying that the IP has been blocked due to spam origination from it, and if the user thinks there is a mistake he/she should write a mail to archive.org.

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Gerry, do you mean email addresses? I doubt the spammers are supplying legitimate email addresses.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgarthus1 Date: Dec 31, 2012 9:40am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

aibek,

What I did in the past was to use another site once I found out the ISP they were using and if the ISP did not correct the problem, it would cost him more effort than it was worth to continue facilitating SPam. Of course if the spammer was doing it from a public machine, say a library, the same could be done to their ISP until the problem was corrected. I do not send anything anonymously and a better solution would be to force everyone to be responsible for what they are sending. The Archive people are good though and I am sure that they will think of something. Basically, if one understands the system, this is a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) type system for those who understand it. Everyone can cause damage to each other, just depends upon how much risk the ISP is willing to take to make a little profit. Ask AOL, they know all about what can happen when a major ISP plays this game. They were forced to back down and never really found out what hit them ... all because they were selling hundreds of Email addresses to the same people who were spamming the system. Hehehe.

Gerry

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Poster: aibek Date: Dec 31, 2012 11:14pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

Pressurizing the ISP would indeed be a good idea. I am happy to hear that this works.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgarthus1 Date: Jan 1, 2013 12:11am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

Aibek,

It works because each of us can do significant harm to the other and any rational person would not want to go in that direction.

http://archive.org/details/Solitary_Horsemen_Reflections_On_Life_In_Cyberspace

Something I wrote over 12 years ago ... it has increasing relevance as the days pass. I can go into many examples why the technology cuts both ways, but in the end those who really understand how it works will have the last laugh; not the money worshipers and their hordes of sheep.

Gerry

This post was modified by garthus1 on 2013-01-01 08:11:53

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgarthus1 Date: Jan 1, 2013 9:07am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Spam. CAPCTHA needed urgently.

Aibek,

That was a good review; I read both the articles and I think I remember reading the Phrack one some time ago. This has come to be a pervasive problem for the so-called leaders of the various countries today. It is as if no matter what they do, things will not go the way they like. I view this as progress (the self-destruction of a vile and corrupt system that is) though and am sitting here in my small but functional house with no mortgage and no bills, living a spartan but healthy life. No they will not fix 'their' perceived problems and life will go on with perceived control slipping from their hands. It is as if Western culture here in the United States is engaged in a massive orgy of reality denial; just look at their television shows and what passes for political discourse on both sides of the process. I and others who can, will use the technology whenever we can, to push this mass of garbage called Western culture into the Abyss. Of course it may take some time, but it is already heading in the right direction. Just unfortunate that so many will be hurt in the process. But that has been the story of the human condition since the first humans walked the Earth.

Yes it is crab-wise progress and often while it appears to be moving backwards … that is actually progress when we consider that it is the System's way of clearing the garbage out. Just like garbage-cleaning in a computer program, all systems must clean themselves or they will cease to exist. It is amazing when one realizes how incompetent most individuals in government and large corporations are and that they continue to fill their ranks with more sub-standard intellects is often the case. The power of these new technologies is that they (the corrupted humans running our world) now have no place to hide. Without their complete control of information, they are being shown to be the fools that they really are. And no amount of sweet talking or passage of new regulations and rules will change this world for the better.

Something I wrote for the last course which I paid to take at a University … of course it was like 'casting pearls before swine'. Most of the academic cadres here in the United States contain the highest percentage of self-deluded people which I know. They do not really function in the real world since they claim progress by adopting the latest and greatest technologies like commodities in the market place … but practice pedagogues which are still back in the 1800's. The second link is for the final paper while the first link actually contains the notes:

http://archive.org/details/Machine_Human_Organizational_Systems_and_Web_Services_

http://archive.org/details/The_Emergence_of_MachineHuman_Organizations


My email address is garthus801@gmail.com

Gerry

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Poster: aibek Date: Jan 2, 2013 5:51am
Forum: texts Subject: post unrelated to spam or captcha

If you define ‘Western Culture’ as that which the mass-media promotes, then sure! I avoid T.V. like plague, and have now started boycotting movies too. Actually, better not get me started on T.V. -- I have hated it with the utmost hatred for years!

The original meaning of ‘culture’ is what is now called ‘high-culture’. (‘Culture’ is still used in its original meaning in many other areas, as, e.g., in the word ‘horti-culture’.) ‘Western Culture’ in this sense is something pretty good -- I think it is the best culture available. I share many of the common opinions regarding this. (I am charmed by the “wonder that was Greece, the glory that was Rome”, I love the Western Classical music, etc.)

I am not so sure that the culture as in the T.V. stuff is falling into the abyss! Only, thanks to the Internet, everyone who wants a “better deal” out of life can get it. The Internet Archive alone offers much of the world’s culture (high-culture) to anyone who would take it.

Btw, I do not live in the US. For that matter, I am not even of “the West”.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgarthus1 Date: Jan 2, 2013 8:40am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: post unrelated to spam or captcha

Aibek,

You are right concerning 'Western Culture' in the historic sense, but I am referring to the garbage that the Amerikan government is trying to spread around the world. There is 'very' little freedom or justice in a system that has lawyers legislating and then requires lawyers to interpret the crap that passes for laws here in the United States. I meant pushing it into the abyss rhetorically. I would be happy with it not interfering with collections of knowledge such as the 'Archive' and this will only happen when these so-called western leaders give up on controlling all access to information (not likely in the near future). The TV will stay, but we should all not be forced to subsidize it as we currently do under the current regime.

Gerry

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